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Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:15:00 - [1] And yet, of course, the reality remaind that there are no slaves. I certainly have none. Show us the slaves. You are part of a dying breed that even cares about such things. The modern pilot cares only about the here and now and the real space they fly within. And the victory was of course not that of UK at all. They have become no more than pets. This was a claim they have made toward us, so we enjoy the irony. So in the end, no tears at all. In fact quite a laugh to see what has become of the mighty UK. The mission is now nothing to do with slaves. The mission for UK now is to occupy space given to them by others, with sovereignty guarenteed by their masters. For me personally, the changes have been extremely liberating... so good luck UK. Unfortunately i am currently trapped planetside after a large cyclonic storm damaged local infrastructure. I don't evan have the luxury or electricity at the moment, and such it has been for a week now. But I enjoy the news here at the summit when I can :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 00:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 27/03/2010 09:41:03 Ahh the ever deluded and bitter Xina .. Dieing breed? We grow stronger day by day and adapt to the 'verse as change comes upon us. No slaves? Matters not to me you if you have none, what matters is your alliegence. For that you have been removed from Providence. Pets? Woof! Sticks and stones my dear. You should learn to smack better, greeny is at least entertaining, if not a little hard to understand. Enjoy your new found freedom. ((ooc: we all realise that the mechanics supporting the back story in regards to slavery are weak, yet the back story is what it is none-the-less. -7- may or may not have supported the ideals of slavery, that I could find an interesting debate. However your continual ignorant assertion that there are 'no slaves' is tiresome and irrelvent. Take your moaning to CAOD where it belongs.)) But you are a dying breed regardless. Firstly UK continues to absorb many who care nothing about slaves. So although the numbers may grow, the mission is weakened. Aside from that you are nothing without your mirror. If there is no CVA, then there is no mission. The rest of the cluster simply does not care, and that includes your great and powerful new masters. As for OOC, I have no idea what this means. Perhaps it is you who should find another medium in which to broadcast. I will continue to assert that UK is no longer really motivated by slavery, and their many new members care nothing about it. Their new masters, which secured their victory, care nothing about it. These facts are clear. Indeed, it seems odd that CVA systems, those who supposedly are the slavers, still stand. Surely UK should be attacking those? Or do they need to await their masters in these matters?
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 00:43:00 - [3] Oh, and as answer to the original question. Yes. Or to be more exact, CVA and UK depend on each other for their existance as they currently know it. UK is however being diluted, and CVA being removed. So it's likely this conflict may fade somewhat... Although CVA systems remain, and UK have to await their masters to finish their removal we suspect.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 08:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Charney deGeoff Originally by: Xina Tutor Indeed, it seems odd that CVA systems, those who supposedly are the slavers, still stand. Surely UK should be attacking those? Or do they need to await their masters in these matters? Heh, when did your lot ever go anywhere alone? Sticks and stones again.. And when did you become our military advisor? :-) Just wait at the sidelines and keep watching as you've done so far. Or gasp! Maybe your mastermind tactic of staying docked and boring us to death is actually working? Stay tuned! heh... well at least we didn't need the entire southern coalition to back us up :P And I rarely dock, so I have no clue what you mean. If you mean we chose not to take on the entire south head to head, well then sure. That seemed a pretty smart move. So now we can pick at the fleas for a while. It has been nice, I must admit, to se UK pilots flying without cloaks of late. I learned all I know about cloaking from these pilots. Over quite a long period...
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 21:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Maggot CVA does not depend on U'K in the slightest. Their mission statement and actions over the years have proven that they only have one aim, the expansion of the Amarr Empire. U'K have no desire to build an empire, just to fight and crush the direct and indirect supporters of slavery. Once the institution of slavery is dead then I would expect U'K to go the same way. We can return to our farms, or families, or to what ever walk of life we previously had before we were brought to fight for this cause. Too true. The CVA mission, and certainly the Sev3rance mission, does not depend on the existance of UK. We simply seek open space where pilots may fly and mine and go about their business with a reduced risk of piracy. It is a relatively simple mission that can be achieved anywhere and any time. UK however do depend on the likes of CVA to exist, at least in their original form. Without these 'slavers' to fight, UK may as well indeed return to their farms if that is their origin. Of course the new UK is moving beyond the slave mission and has been influenced by others, so we have no doubt they will continue on this path. And of course it is also likely that they will redefine other low wage earners and worker classes as 'slaves' and continue their crusade that way. Either way, the majority of the cluster will not care as long as pilots have cheap ships to fly and crews to service their vessels. And at least they have their fleas to lord over for now, as their greater masters of the south allow...
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 22:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Butter Dog I can dock in KBP. I have a dear friend docked there as well I believe. I dare say she will continue doing 'business' for some time on that local market, something I have little interest in myself.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.28 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Maggot Originally by: Xina Tutor Of course the new UK is moving beyond the slave mission This is of course not true. Every single decision made by U'K exec is based on one goal. Once that goal is complete I look forward to a long retirement, drinking spiced wine whilst watching the moons of Pator cross the night sky. Of course you will. If all the slaves were free tomorrow you would stop flying altogether... Well, I needed a laugh.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.29 03:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Xina Tudor Damn, I wish I could mine in KBP Well you never know young Xina. I hear said that UK are NRDS, so give it a try. Now, did mommy say it was okay for you to use the galnet terminal today, hmm?
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.29 08:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Xina Tudor Originally by: Dog Butter Plus Sized Hobos has declared war on Brown Arrows. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Your bionic trolling laser is useless against my nonsensical shield of bitterness! I'll see you in space sir You know, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I am pleased I have annoyed your superior officer sufficiently to warrant such praise :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 04:33:00 - [10] OOC? Someone else is out of coffee? Anyway, as we all know, there is reality and 'reality' and there are slaves and 'slaves'. These really come down to definitions, but regardless of that, the ordinary pilot does not really care. Because of this, the status of a worker population becomes irrelevant. All the worker classes are underpaid and poorly provided for, and generally ignored. Indeed many 'slaves' fair substancially better than so called 'paid' workers, as we all well know. Considering that most are 'trapped' on the life and employment they have, we can easily define any as slaves if we choose, and even the Federation is as guilty of this as any. If anything the Amarr are at least up front about actual status of many of the workforce and even provide certain exit strategies with appropriate payments. I doubt this is the case under the other great powers where the working classes are simply ignored, burried and forgotten. The simple fact remains that capsulers do not care about the working classes, slaves or otherwise. We have risen above that to a point of near godhood. Now I am happy to admit that the lower classes really are very much beneath me. Perhaps others are not. Pilots of the UK have certainly given lip service to the underlings over the years, but their recent actions tell us that perhaps it is nothing more than this. Do they really care, at least any more? UK are now a minion of the great southern coalition, and do any us us think these are pilots who care anything about the lesser classes or slaves. Indirectly or otherwise, these pilots have grown fat on the sweat of slaves or working classes for many years. It is hypocrtical of UK to hold it's current stance while sheltering beneath the wing of such an empire. UK continues to focus it's attention on one group simply because they are one of the few to be open and honest about their labour forces. But UK ignores the rest of the cluster and the conditions that exist within. They see this only in black and with, with a great deal of tunnel vision, whereas it is really quite grey, a very dirty grey. And I still ask.. where are the slaves. They seem very forgotten in this current conflict. Which never had anything to do with slaves, of course.

Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Xina Tutor on 30/03/2010 11:59:14 Originally by: Stratio Personally, yes I do very much care about the rights of workers. Well.. good to hear. I will look forward to some of that put into practice perhaps.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 20:35:00 - [12] 'Why do you assume it hasn't ?' Because I still see slaves awaitig freedom in KBP. 'We're winning, and this makes people bitter.' 'We' meaning the southern coalition. The pets are just along for the ride :) Manfred is building a play pen and their own little feeding ground, and a dead looking area it is becoming already as predicted, so good luck to him on that one. Meanwhile, since this was after all some of the poorest space in the cluster, we will simply move elsewhere and continue. Good win. Have fun there :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Xennith Originally by: Xina Tutor we will simply move elsewhere and continue. "We" being CVA and their attendant cloud of sycophants? Im sure that "we" will be seeing "you" soon enough, we have vagabonds rusting in hangers. CVA? who knows. They have objectives that were aditional to our own, both at a corp and ally level, so you have to ask them. As for your rusty ships. The way I predict Providence will soon look, I would suggest a lot of rustproofing.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Xina Tutor 'Why do you assume it hasn't ?' Because I still see slaves awaitig freedom in KBP. Now hold on a moment, pilot. Are you talking about slaves in private storage, as opposed to station personnel? U'K can't access those-- if their owners are capsuleers, those slaves remain on inviolate sovereign territory that only their owners, or their owners' corporations, I believe, can access. Station ownership does not grant access to private caches of goods-- or people. U'K can no more rescue such unfortunates than the Gallente can confiscate boosters from my hangars in their space; the most the Federal authorities can do is try to catch me carrying them in my cargo. Are you talking about slaves in market escrow? Well, in that case they're still privately held-- and U'K has stated clearly and repeatedly that they won't buy slaves, even to free them. Consequently, the slaves remain, like those stuck in storage, private property unless and until their owners choose to surrender them or grant them their freedom. And if you aren't talking about slaves in either of these positions, exactly what are you talking about? Ah.. good cop out. So UK wont go to all extremes to free slaves at all (or any real effort). As suspected, it is just lip service. After all the claim here has been that isk does not matter, only the freedom of their people... but it appears that is not really the case at all :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 11:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Kade Jeekin And so the fool Xina Tutor dances with glee that her clever clever machinations have finally been exposed. She put some people up for sale in a station in Providence as she fled it. Now she attempts to use them as a goad against the freedom fighters. Know this Xina Tutor, your adolescent mulings are nothing new. The fact that we can not break open your personal hangars and loot, due, not only to CONCORD law, but ghosts in the machine that we can do nothing about. Freedom Fighters do not buy peoples freedom, ever. We know the ramifications of doing so. However, some philanthropist may choose to give you the ISK you so desire. I, personally, am satisfied, that although still imprisoned within some vault, awaiting your mercy or that philanthropist, they are more free than if you still held the station. So, yes, we see here a slaver, bartering peoples lives for her own sick pleasure. I have never dealt in slaves. Ever. I would suggest you provide some evidence that I own any such slaves or have any on a market anywhere. But I am not blind. I do see such things as I fly through the new 'free' Providence systems. I also see a lot of desolation. It has become a wilderness, and I feel dearly for the many on the various stations that have lost livelyhoods in the great depression that has now hit. From bustling ports to ghostowns. Keep up the good work :)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 11:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Butter Dog Xina, your alliance is worthless. Just hurry up and die and spare us your Galnet musings. This, and all the out of coffee guys, fill me with a great joy to be here. Oh, and I still have a clone, so no prob ;)
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